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« on: July 17, 2007 »

What do you think about Paganism?

At the blog http://velvet512.livejournal.com/ I've found very interesting piece about English Pagans.


I am beginning to take an interest in Old English Pagans.

I’ve quickly become aware of an implicit bias in the words of so many who have commented on this topic. It has a long history. I read a little of Bishop Asser’s Life of Alfred the Great. Asser writes about a battle between West Saxons and Vikings, how Alfred ‘attacked the whole pagan army’. On the face of it, this is a purely factual statement. But let us look at it again. Alfred’s men are fighting a ‘pagan’ army. This puts quite a different complexion on the observation. Since one side is described as pagan, the other side, by implication, is Christian. Christians versus pagans. Good versus evil. The forces of the one true God versus those who worship devils. A value judgement is perpetuated.

I look up ‘magic’ in an encyclopaedia of Anglo-Saxon England. The writer begins by regretting that scholars disagree on a working definition of magic and we are soon back with Frazer (though not, apparently, with Tylor) and one of those academic roundabouts of repeating what other scholars have already written on the subject. Eventually we are left with some pointers towards original AS source material, though it does look to me as more of the same Christians versus devil-worshipping pagans.

I begin to feel the need for the position to be rectified. For someone who experiences magic and Paganism from the inside to inform those who, up to now, have had to rely on theories and opinions put together by outsiders.

francis cameron

oxford, 2 july 2007
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2007 »

What do you think are there a lot of people who worship Pagan Gods?
I don't think so Wink
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2007 »

I agree with you, I've never seen them. However, may be I've seen but how do I know about personal religious beliefs? From appearance? No.
And I think pagans live in closed communities and do not accept strangers and "tourists".
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2007 »

interesting discussion

i think the question really is the definition of pagan. i really did not look it up, but i believe in the olden days if a antion came upon a nation worshiping a different god from themselves, then automatically the second nation is doomed pagan. i mean, sun worshipers, statue worshippers, all that were called pagans. but christianity sort of colonised the world too much to a point were they thought all non-christians are pagans. so in today's world, with budhists,hinduism,badimo (pedi word for ancestors), who are we to call anyone pagan, or a pagan worshiper. arent they the different religions that we see at our door steps?even more, arent christians just pagans themselves in the eyes of the other religions who believe solely what they believe?
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2007 »

Interesting point, Lera!

You wrote that you are from South Africa, so do you have pagan rituals there? Or as I suppose South Africa is christianized and pagan traditions remain in Central Africa.
What can you tell about it?
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2007 »

yah,i am south african.i cant really say there are any pagan rituals anywhere in the world,coz there are alternative belief structures which we all have  to respect.i jsut think its a bit weird that christians think that they are the gold standard of religion.is south africa, we have all sorts of belief s,islam,judaism,christianity,and different types of traditional beliefs.yah,the word pagan is just a very derogatory term to describe alternative misunderstood religious practices.
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2007 »

Well, I'm sure there are pagan rituals in the world and I'm sure that the most of such rituals are practiced in Africa and Asia. Because in these regions some people still have tradtional beliefs and worldview.
Ah, and also Latin American Indians, not all of them are Christians.
Yes judaism, chirstianity and islam must not have the dominion over all other religions. And even in these 3 greates religions there is different understanding and different sects
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